investor being warren buffett, they weren't involved, haven't been called out just yet. the smell test isn't great right now. >> well, with respect to the premise of the segment, i think it's silly to accuse the justice department of doing the treasury department's bidding. it just doesn't work that way. there's a longstanding tradition of going after number one, the market leader, and trying to set, to make an example. >> the market leaders. >> hold on. >> that's the point that he's trying to make. >> and let-- finish the point, adam. >> trying to understand it. >> you make an example of somebody with deep pockets. i've said that earlier. we don't have to like it, but that's how litigators and regulators go about their business and by the way, it is punitive m in case. >> okay, ben, again, saying you make an example. it's pretty curious and no one feels sorry for any of these guys, they put america through hell. why the timing of it? why s & p and none of their competits? >> wiell, i'm not fan of eric holder, i know him personally a little bit, but not a fan of him as an attorney general.